Total Loss Ignition Systems

What is a Total Loss Ignition System? Its using a petrol engine without an alternator.

Effectively you are running your vehicle's electronics from your battery which includes any spark to the ignition system, gauges, lights, fans, pumps, transponder or data logger, GPS, radio, comms etc etc.

Again we'd highlight the purpose of this battery is the most critical thing to consider. Do you want to have enough cranking power to start the vehicle or do you need to drive for a few hours without a recharge? (the latter being something to consider if your alternator dies while in competition or along way from home. Its referenced on the specs of a battery as being the reserve capacity (RC). It's measured at 25 amps and simulates SLA which was considered the essential requirement to operate a vehicle some 20 years ago. (Starting, Lights, Accessories). So the 25 amps could be discharged for X number of minutes (i.e. 90RC) until there is no usable voltage remaining in the battery.

With high flow fuel pumps and water cooling systems on high power engines a fully charged 12 volt battery might only be 11.5 volts under discharge load. This is to low a voltage for the ignition system to operate effectively and it makes current draw that much higher that it is far from ideal. An alternative would be to run a higher voltage battery like our XS Power 16 volt battery. Underload the voltage would still be 14 volts which is similar to the voltage output of a high powered alternator without the overhead of the alternator drive belt loading the engine or the extra weight being carried.

This is ideal for systems like drag cars or midget vehicles used in speedway which are push started. The 16 volt batteries also make for excellent jump start batteries on 1400 plus horsepower engines used in Hydroplanes, river racers and jet sprint boats.

Marine Batteries and CCA requirements

Have you ever wondered why a 100HP outboard requires a 800CCA battery? It actually has nothing to do with 800 cold cranking amps and the 30 second discharge time at minus 18 deg centigrade.

A 100HP outboard these days has an electronic ignition system and a high torque starter motor which only draws about 150-200A. It will start in 1 second so you could actually use a 7Ah alarm battery you use on your fish finder to start the outboard. It might, however, record a low voltage warning in the engine management ECU, and that if done repeatedly will void your mechanical warranty of the outboard. The low voltage happens when you draw high current from a small capacity battery, the voltage dips but when the discharge turns off the voltage goes back up.

So this is why you are told 800CCA. A few things to note also, have you ever noticed that there are plenty of batteries just under the magic 800CCA that are $80-100 less? That's because back in the day the outboard manufacturer being local to a country had to determine what was locally available and suitable. Many times that lead to supply agreements and those agreements were made to benefit one brand over all the others with not quite enough CCA. Anyway I digress, the reason for 800CCA is that a typical battery would have to be approx 80-90Ah to achieve that kind of spec and if its 80 plus Amp Hour then even if the battery is a few years old and is half discharged, you've got some electronics on prior to turning the key and the temp is a chilly few degrees above freezing. The battery will still have enough power to start your outboard.

There you have it, a worst-case scenario used to resolve a starting point and avoid liability of being sued. (a genuine concern if you are in America)

Winch Vehicles

We often work with clients incorporating a winch on a vehicle. The winch manufacturer's specification includes recommendations of a battery, given they often aren't specific to brand or type of battery there are many considerations the owner needs to address. Here's a simple guide to help you through the process:

1. Purpose of the battery - in this instance the battery is needed to provide high current for a sustained period of time (much like a CCA rating over 30 seconds). The issue with CCA ratings is a high-quality battery like an Odyssey Battery will have a high CCA but will also be small Reserve Capacity or Amp Hour because it has a high power density and a small battery can output as much power as a larger wet cell or gel battery.

2. How often you use the winch - if it's occasional use then a similar-sized battery to your factory battery but with a higher performance spec might be all you need. You aren't reducing the Reserve Capacity and hopefully are increasing the battery's high power output.

3. If you run the winch for more than 30 seconds - you need to consider these as long duration discharges at high power, which means you are cycling the battery and therefore need to consider a deep cycle battery so you can repeatedly discharge and recharge. Remember though, a flooded deep cycle battery won't have a high CCA if the same physical size as your normal start battery. To compensate you'll need to increase the size of the deep cycle battery to get a higher CCA.

4. Vehicles charging system - Charging of the vehicles alternator would typically be fine but if you go off-road for the day and use your winch 5 or 6 times with a lot of low RPM driving and long duration winch pulls your battery will be quite flat once the surface voltage has dissipated. The alternator maintaining a voltage above 13 volts artificially leads you to believe the battery is fully charged. But if you leave it for 24 hours without using then check the voltage again you might find your voltage below 12 volts which is over 50% discharged. You'll need to use a maintenance charger after such days to keep the battery in good health.

That's a great basis for discussion and one many variables can be considered and put into play. Remembering the purpose of the battery is actually more important than it's spec sheet. 600CCA is great for instant power but not reserve capacity. Large capacity is great but not if there isn't a high power discharge available. Physical size may be important if under the bonnet of your vehicle. Large alternators only work if the battery has a low internal resistance to accept a large load current. All these reasons are why we recommend Odyssey Batteries with their extensive range.